At 1PM ET, we’ll be joined by Kyle K. Courtney (Harvard University/Library Futures), Dave Hansen (Authors Alliance), Michelle Wu (Georgetown Retired), and Jason Schultz (NYU School of Law). To listen to the arguments while watching the blog, Dial-in: 888-363-4749, with access code 8140049.
After the arguments, we’ll post a 20 minute discussion with our group of experts, moderated by Jennie Rose Halperin, Director of Library Futures. If you’re having trouble seeing the liveblog, please try disabling your popup blocker.
Archive.org is an invaluable, cultural storehouse. Just like JSTOR harassed a young man who made knowledge free until he was dead, large publishers continued to inhibit the public’s right to obtain free knowledge. I support Archive.org, I am an academic, the resource has not only changed my life positively, it was provided me pure happiness and connected me to countless other libraries across the world, that no other resource could do. THANK YOU AND MAY YOU BE PROTECTED AS AN ASSET TO THE PUBLIC! ✨🙏✨
Good luck today Internet Archive. We’re all standing behind you!
I have a lab meeting at the time of the argumentation but on behalf of everyone who could not tune in on account of work or school, let me just say thank you. The Internet Archive is beyond excellent as an online library, a repository of history (written and digital), an internet record (thanks to the Wayback Machine), and a source for research. Accessible information is more important than ever before, and you deserve our applause. We’re rooting for you!
Good luck today Internet Archive.
Thank you for standing up for access! We stand with you!
“Lining Pockets” “Scheming”
…wait a minute which side is focused on $$$ (and lets be honest not for their authors!) and complex licensing schemes are used to and functionally prohibit access to information?
Thank you for fighting for libraries, for access, for the Internet Archive, for the first sale doctrine, and for the codified 17 USC 108 superpowers that enable libraries to exist and benefit society!
I’m so impressed by the consistency of the Internet Archive’s transparency. It is excrutiating and fascinating to listen to this argument live with the expert blog, and I’m so grateful for your sharing this so we can most-informedly support IA’s noble and essential mission.
Will there be a recording of the audio of the call available to download later?
Just the liveblog.
Absolutely loving this live blog. What a great resource! Thanks to all who are participating.
I’m so impressed with the depth and consistency of the Internet Archive’s transparency. Thank you for sharing this excrutiating and fascinating hearing and the accompanying blog so we can continue to most-informedly support IA’s noble and essential mission.
We only ask that libraries be able fairly to do what we have done for centuries: buy books and share them in fair ways for the spread of knowledge and good of the public. Good luck, Internet Archive, in a case that is vital for the continued mission of libraries in an increasingly digital age.
Transmission is the activity! Not copying. Copying is only a method to transmit aka loan digitially!
Digital loans under the first sale doctrine require a copy. It is not about fair use, it about first sale in a digital world.
Michelle Wu hit the nail on the head with the “traditional copyright view” versus the new equitable third millenium situation.
You all are AMAZING for doing this…Michelle, Kyle, Dave and Jason: a huge THANK YOU for helping us all out here in non-lawyer-land understand what was happening!
What is the common law of exhaustion?
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/exhaustion
The panelists on this blog are all most excellent, thank you to you and to the IA.
It would have been helpful to have had an academic librarian in the wings. Libraries have copied and distributed academic articles for their users and for interlibrary loan for decades. This was first as photocopies then faxes and finally pdfs. The fair use in this case was educational, but I know of no analysis of the types of books that were lent by IA nor for how long. The IA reported that most uses were (as I recall) under one hour. That’s not reading – that’s either browsing or looking up facts. Neither of those are uses that one is willing to pay a purchase price for, but could be considered educational.
Thank you so much for the outstanding work, IA team.
I am a volunteer – a teacher of Latin. There is no way I could afford to buy every book I need, to do research. IA allows me to access a text from eg Cicero or Caesar, and perhaps a translation, to check things for myself and my students. It is wonderful to be able to borrow a book for half an hour or so, then to return it for someone else to access. It is an amazing modern achievement in the library system. I think Julius would have been chuffed!